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I hate bookcrossing
Sorry but I have to vent. I just got a book with a giant sticker on the front with a message telling me I have to "read and release". Actually, I love this author and I will re-read this book. This book is MINE to do with as I please. Our contract is: you send me the book. Period. No more stipulations. So I took the sticker off and left a +1 feedback. No harm, no foul. Then I noticed the sender had written in red permanent marker the bookcrossing ID number on the top of the book's pages. There was nothing in the book's condition telling me it would be marked all over advertising some other book site. Changed to +0. I went to the site and checked the book ID, just to see how far it had traveled. It has not traveled ANYWHERE. The sender marked it up specifically before s/he sent it to me. This moocher's rudeness has now made me HATE bookcrossing. I'm not participating in your little project. Why RUIN the books you want to track? Have you ever had this problem?
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Ashley
11 years ago
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It seems basic courtesy to state "BookCrossing registered" in the condition notes.
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I wholeheartedly agree with you as this has happened to me as well. It is quite rude to mark up books for any purpose, in my opinion its sacrilegious to mark any book
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I'm sorry you've had such a horrid experience with bookcrossing. Certainly that sender was way over the top-- marking up a book is unacceptable. And I admire your restraint-- I would have given them a negative rating and stated that it is rude not to indicate that the book was marked up and has a bookcrossing sticker. That is the only way this sender will learn proper manners. I do bookcrossing, but I like to think I'm reasonable about it. I only put on a sticker, and it is the one the site recommends, which doesn't say that you have to pass the book on. I never mark the book itself, so you could peel off the sticker if you wanted and there'd be no trace. I also only register mass market paperbacks that have some wear (no brand new hardbacks!). And (AND THIS IS KEY) I always indicate that a book I am offering has the sticker. Why do I do it? Curiosity. Once I got a book from a swap site, from a person in West Virginia. When I got the book, it turned out to be an ex-library book from a nearby public library (central TX). I've often wondered how that book went from central TX to WV and back. Would you have been less angry if your book had an interesting history that you could have seen on the bookcrossing site?
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Gretchen Ann, Yes, I would have been less upset if there was an interesting history to the book, but this person:1. States that s/he is in Germany, when the book was postmarked form the US, so any bookcrossing details are already a lie. 2. Assumed I would be passing it on and instructed me that I MUST do so with the sticker on the front. 3. Marked a book I intend(ed) to keep forever with a stupid ID of a website that may not exist by the time my descendants inherit the book. An interesting history would mean I couldn't blame all these things on a single individual whom I can rate.
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Ashley, I had a cheeky look to see who the sender was and I've had books from them with the stickers, marker pen nonsense etc as well. I too think it ruins a book and if it must be done I prefer to see a discreet Bookcrossing ID not something on the cover that is then covered with sticky backed plastic and certainly not marker pen on the page edges. I actually joined Bookcrossing a few years ago and I think I may have registered a couple of books I received but I honestly didn't see the appeal, it's enough for me to know that through Bookmooch I've given a book without tracking it's every move! The thought of defacing a perfectly good book really doesn't sit well. Also, in some cases it makes the book less appealing on this site I haven't been on the B'crossing site for a good couple of years and have no intention of registering anything on there again. If folks don't like that then maybe they shouldn't be trying to make the two worlds meet by listing marked books on this site. After all B'crossing encourages you to leave books in open, public places where they can be picked up and enjoyed by others for free - park bench, public transport etc are given as examples, and before anyone suggests this is such a place please remember B'mooch involves postage costs and points. Maybe this is an example of trying to have your cake and eat it?
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Pass on to your children, Ashley? Really?!? 'Cause I hate to tell you, but you probably will outlive that paperback book. Any of these books where the pages are glued in are deteriorating as we speak. Even if you can protect it from bugs like silverfish (which live on paper and glue), that glue is drying out and breaking down from the moment you buy it. And we aren't even going to discuss the acids in the paper and inks, and what they're doing. By the time your children inherit it (assuming you're not in your 90s today), the pages will be brittle and falling out. It will smell funny and the pages will have yellowed and the ink faded, possibly to the point of being unreadable. If you want a book to pass down to your children, you need a hardback with the pages sewn in and archival quality paper printed with acid-free inks. And even then, you have to store it in climate-controlled conditions, protected from bugs, sunlight, moisture and temperature extremes. I should know-- I worked for a couple of years at the National Archives in DC preparing old records and books for a move to a new facility. You should see what happens to even a leather-bound book after 100 years.
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Gretchen, I appreciate the input from an expert! I have had pages fall out of old paperbacks, true. But I just recently mooched a book from 1960 (The Good Earth) and the glue seems very strong. I have inherited paperbacks from my mother that have held up through a few readings and loans to friends. Why do some paperbacks last and others, as you said, decay?
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A random combination of luck, the conditions under which the book was stored and subtle differences in glues and paper quality. I have paperbacks from my mother that had held together fairly well, stored in a wooden cabinet in a cool, moderately humid (not too damp, but not desert dry) basement, which never saw the light of day for years. Some of them though, within years of being brought out and stored in a series of normal apartments, have started losing their pages and deteriorating. I have paperbacks from the 1980s that are self-destructing even faster than my mother's from the 1950s; they are losing their pages and the paper is already yellowing. You have no way of knowing the quality of the glue or the paper used in the construction of your paperback (cheaper pulp= greater acidity= faster deterioration)-- some older paperbacks are better than newer ones. The best you can do is keep them away from the sun, try to minimize bug damage (whether you want to admit it or not, if you have standard gypsum drywall in your home, you have silverfish), and try to store them in a stable environment (temperature & humidity). Fact is though nothing can prevent the inevitable, especially if the book is made with poor glue or paper. The acid in the paper and glue that make up the book destroys it in the end.
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As a fairly active Bookcrosser, I will make condition notes if there is anything more than the standard sticker on the inner front cover. My status message acts as a universal condition note regarding the Bookcrossing sticker/registration, but on individual books I'll make a note if there's a number written on the spine, or extra stickers on the cover, or what have you - just as I would for any other book in my inventory. I personally don't think writing in a book defaces it or somehow dishonors the book, but it's only fair for people to know exactly what they're getting, be it highlighting in the text or a sticker on the front cover.
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If a book is a Bookcrossing book, it should be identified as such in the condition notes. PERIOD
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I've had this happen when I was living in Europe and asked someone to angel a book for me. The book was originally in perfect condition, but the owner wouldn't send outside the US. I posted on the angel forum and someone mooched it for me. When I got the book it had bookcrossing stickers and magic marker writing all over it (front cover, inside pages etc.), all added by the angel. I didn't feel like I could complain since she was doing me a favor, but I was really annoyed.
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It happened to me again! Someone stop the madness. It burns me up to see people defacing new books this way. I'm never gonna "release" any of these books. Out of SPITE.
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People who deface BOOKS, should be taken outside and "executed"... (tongue-in-cheek)... I absolutely HATE defacing of books.
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Old topic, I know, but when I received a book with a big "bookcrossing" sticker, I remembered this post and came looking for it. I just received one, as well, and it looks like from the same person. Big bookcrossing sticker and id on the cover, plus bookcrossing + id written in marker on the top of the book. Says "Germany" in their profile, but my copy came from Spain. It's probably not a big deal for me, but I certainly would have liked to have known ahead of time. This person has more than one comment about the same issue, but continues to do the same thing.
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I joined BookCrossing a few years ago, discretely marked up over 400 books with stickers and released them locally, desperately trying to drum up some exchange of English language books; I never found a single book and only a handful of the books I released were ever logged. I recently picked up a book that I'd left in my account's waiting area three years ago... BookMooch enables me to find some of the books I'd like to read and pass on those I don't want to someone who really does want to read the book rather than it being randomly left for someone else to pick up. I note "BookCrossing registered" in the condition notes and if a book has really been defaced by the BookCrossing registration (marker pen ID on the page edges, for example), then I note that condition too. Overall, a discrete sticker doesn't bother me, but the over-the-top identification of the book as "belonging" to BookCrossing really does annoy me. As far as some of the previous comments about the journeys that BookCrossing books may have made before reaching the current owner (custodian), then if previous owners haven't journaled the book's progress on Bookcrossing, no-one can say for certain where it's been. If I receive a book that's registered with BookCrossing, then I make a journal entry for it on that site, usually to the effect that the book is currently residing near Fontainebleau and is circulating through BookMooch - that's free publicity for BM every time I journal a book's progress.
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If I get a bookcrossing book, I am perterbed (PO'd to those that like plain English).. I use Half.com, Paperback Swap & book Mooch,Book Mooche is the only one that doesnt have a restricktion against a Book Crossing marked book. I believe that it would be a curtusy (sp) to other members of Book mooch if you would note Book croosing on your list so we have the option to not ordering from you, or completing the order.. After I read a book crossing book, instead of relisting it, I give to the Gooodwill..
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Couple of notes about this discussion. Bookcrossing is primarily a philosophy about sharing books and trading thoughts with those who have read that particular book. It's primarily non-economic: bookmooch operates on bartering (with a web-based point accounting system) as bookcrossing operates on the act (and good-will) that comes from releasing a book, with no economic return. Perhaps bookcrossing is more akin to the Little Free Library concept (like little birdhouses that people keep on their property housing books that people can take or contribute to). Bookcrossing, while initiated as a website, has spawned multiple person-to-person communities all over the world, ranging from monthly meetings at coffeehouses, to book rotation groups via mail, to national and international conventions of book lovers. The labeling and marking systems that bookcrossers use vary. Most typical is a sticker / nameplate on the inside cover of the book. Some write the ID# of the book on the title page. Very few (referring to original thread poster) write the ID# on the pages. That said, bookmoochers who are also bookcrossers (and I fall into this category) need to be very clear concerning the condition of the books they are putting on bookmooch, and the reasons for assigning that condition evaluation to their books. They need to state how the books are marked up, where markings are located, as well as general quality of the physical object. Once a reader receives a bookcrossed book (or any book for that matter), that reader has every right to do whatever he/she wants, including keeping that book for the rest of his/her life. Avid bookcrossers actually do this; they refer to these books as being placed in their PC (permanent collection). Bookcrossed books should have little or no value on the antiquarian book market. Bookcrossers, who are generally quite amiable people, release books because they wish to share their love of reading with others, and sometimes hope that they've touched the lives of others through their sharing of books that they love. Bookcrossers, in exchange for the joy and curiosity afforded by the possibility of finding out where their books will go next, often will release high-demand books. Generosity is contagious, and observing a bookcrosser release a high-demand book will prompt others to do the same. Bookcrossed books (physical books) belong to the owner of the book. Bookcrossing as a business entity does not own bookcrossed books. As I understand it, bookcrossing operates as a small business consisting of site owner and a couple of employees, including a tech / site developer. I met the site owner years ago at a convention who was friendly and inviting of suggestions for their website from heavy bookcrossing users. Their revenue comes from expanded functionality on their site through yearly memberships, and bookcrossing supplies. Bookcrossing users voluntarily invest time, energy, and money in the activity, broadly defined, of bookcrossing because they truly love books, both as vehicle for knowledge and literary arts, as well as its physical manifestation of said knowledge. It's rather idealistic, actually - clients who are excited about a small business, clients who can participate fruitfully in that business without paying anything if they so desire. Hopefully my notes here have clarified certain aspects of bookcrossing and its potential interaction with bookmooch. I believe that we the readers and book enthusiasts benefit most from a plurality of economic and social systems, whether it be libraries, independent bookstores, amazon.com, bookmooch, bookcrossing, paperbackswap, swap.com (when it was around), that enable us to have the most access to books we either know we want to read, or are pleasantly surprised to be introduced to.
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While I agree that it is up to the "BM" moocher to either post their mooched book or place it into their permanent collection. It needs stating that I too have received several "book crossing" books and agree with Lou Jones, here that it's pretty upsetting to receive a book that is all marked up, labeled and treated disrespectfully. As a collector of sorts think that books, no matter where they come from or go should "NEVER" be written in or printed on or marked up in any way. To me that is just sacrilegious somehow. Even the public library asks that you NOT harm any book in any way.
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Hey, there. I know this thread is pretty much dead, but I wanted to give my two cents on the matter. It seems like Ashley had a nightmare mooch (I personally would’ve reported the sender for lying about their country of residence alone) that definitely should’ve been disclosed as a BC book, but I wouldn’t say that any writing in a book is sacrilegious like many people here did. I *really* don’t agree with PapaG’s Tony Zaret-esque post. To me, I only care about if the content is legible and the book is in the condition described. I mooched a BC book from someone who didn’t disclose it a couple years ago. Whoever registered the book didn’t want anyone to miss its BCID (the Bookcrossing Identification Number). It’s written on the inside front cover, the last page of content (below the text), and on all three sides of the pages. However, since this didn’t affect the book’s durability or legibility, I gave the sender a +1. I can still read it, so I couldn’t care less. I even provided a little journal update on BC! Turns out the sender wasn’t the original owner; it started in Australia, made its way to Spain, and then came to me in the Netherlands! Neat! In short, unless someone slapped a sticker over the actual text, I won’t be mad at a BC book I receive, even if it wasn’t disclosed (even though it should be).
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